>>> Last Photographer Standing (Discussion)

[seastack]

As an additional note, if you enter a major photography contest, PPA (Professional Photographers of America) for instance, a title is required and a mistitled piece can cost you dearly (i.e., it won't hang). Sit through a judging session there (quietly, not allowed to speak) and you can learn the true meaning of brutal, although the worst thing that can happen is no discussion at all.

[Robert]

I could swear that I had a post here. Bloody technology. Posted double, deleted one, now they both are gone.
Anyway, I agree that it can’t be bad to be able to title proper. I'll get practising.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Robert

I could swear that I had a post here. Bloody technology. Posted double, deleted one, now they both are gone.
Anyway, I agree that it can’t be bad to be able to title proper. I'll get practising.

Click on your name to find your posts. We moved the whole discussion.

[indiegirl]

Any chance there is a button I can snag for my blog?

Thanks!

[DoctorIt]

Originally Posted by indiegirl

Any chance there is a button I can snag for my blog?

Thanks!

There are 3 on the first post in this thread, but none of them just say "photo contest" rather, rules, digg, etc...

lemme see if we can rework one of the images...

for now, do us a favor and link here: www.lastphotographerstanding.com

thanks!

[seastack]

It would be nice in the LPS Finalists gallery to include with each photo:

a. Hyperlink on the dgrinner screename to their "Shooter's Profile" where folks can find their website if interested;

and/or

b. Photographers real name hyperlinked to website if available;

or

c. Some combination thereof.

I do realize that photographers can include their website in small text on entries, and that's great, but it would be nice to include something "clickable" as well and would add a more finished touch.

Apologies if this has been discussed before.

[DoctorIt]

Originally Posted by seastack

It would be nice in the LPS Finalists gallery to include with each photo:

And a good steak and cheese would also really hit the spot right now.

Noted, but since I'm the one responsible for this, I will with no ill intent just say: not gonna happen. I don't get paid enough (read:volunteer) to type html into every single caption, and hunt down links to everyone. In the gallery description, I have placed a link to the original entry threads on dgrin, where all shooter info is available.

[rddphotos]

Part of photography is being in the right place at the right time.

I've never considered composite photos to be a photograph but more of an artistic expression, by combing multiple photos to convey a message and I don't think they should be allowed in this contest.

At some point a photography that has been Photoshopped eventually falls into this realm, but defining this line would be difficult.

[Nikolai]

Originally Posted by rddphotos

...I've never considered composite photos to be a photograph but more of an artistic expression, by combing multiple photos to convey a message and I don't think they should be allowed in this contest....

And how about mutiple exposures on the same film frame? Or how about several exposures blended on the same sheet of paper? How much is that different from what we're doing now in PS?

I think Shay said it very clearly: do what you want, but it's better be good. Judges will decide if you went overboard.

Just my 0.000002 of the f/stop...

[Shay Stephens]

Originally Posted by rddphotos

Part of photography is being in the right place at the right time.

I've never considered composite photos to be a photograph but more of an artistic expression, by combing multiple photos to convey a message and I don't think they should be allowed in this contest.

At some point a photography that has been Photoshopped eventually falls into this realm, but defining this line would be difficult.

Photography is an artistic expression. And so is the use of an image editor. Now, as a group of photographers, we are going to appreciate a work that is more photo and less illustration as a rule. But there are some very talented people out there that can innovate and come up with new ideas that inspire the next generation of thought about what is possible and aesthetic.

The contest rules are open as regard to image editing. You can do what you want, but it better be really good if it is going to win the attention of a bunch of photographers

If it is done to try and mask a so-so photo, it is naturally going to fail, so there is no need for a rule in this case.

[thebigsky]

As far as I'm concerned a photograph is not a photograph if it contains elements that weren't there when the shutter was released.

Is this a photography competition or an art competition?

Charlie

[Shay Stephens]

Originally Posted by thebigsky

As far as I'm concerned a photograph is not a photograph if it contains elements that weren't there when the shutter was released.

Is this a photography competition or an art competition?

Charlie

Well then you will be glad to know that no one will be forcing you to use an image editor

[Nikolai]

Originally Posted by thebigsky

Is this a photography competition or an art competition?

It's an art. Period. Painters did it, photogs did it, composers did it, everybody does it. How about removing a stinking powerline? If yes, why not add a star or two?
Take it easy, do what you want and leave it to the judges. But PLEASE do not impose your personal point of view on how the rest of us should behave.
Live and let live! Peace!

[LiquidAir]

Originally Posted by thebigsky

As far as I'm concerned a photograph is not a photograph if it contains elements that weren't there when the shutter was released.

Is this a photography competition or an art competition?

Charlie

I like your definition. It arguably leaves room for cloning things out and combining exposures, but rules out montages unless you managed to caputure all of the elements in one scene.

However, for the competition if you are going to have hard and fast rules you need to have a process for arbitrating them which potentially significaly complicates things and leaves lots of room for acrimony. I think it is muich simpler to choose judges who share an aesthetic of what a photograph should be and let the the judging process weed out submissions that are out of line. In the end, what is a proper submission for any contest where the judging is subjective is going to be the aesthetic of those who judge it. Having a list rules won't change that.

[gus]

Originally Posted by thebigsky

Is this a photography competition or an art competition?

Charlie

Is there a difference ??

[thebigsky]

Originally Posted by Nikolai

It's an art. Period. Painters did it, photogs did it, composers did it, everybody does it. How about removing a stinking powerline? If yes, why not add a star or two?
Take it easy, do what you want and leave it to the judges. But PLEASE do not impose your personal point of view on how the rest of us should behave.
Live and let live! Peace!

There's a world of difference between expressing a point of view and imposing it, I'd like to think you're aware of that?

Peace indeed, despite your overly aggressive post.

Charlie

[thebigsky]

Originally Posted by gus

Is there a difference ??

Maybe I didn't phrase it well, but I think you know what I mean, if it's essentially considered acceptable to create artistic pictures by combining lots of different elements from various photographs then as far as I'm concerned it's not a photography competition and I shall bow out gracefully.

Charlie

[Shay Stephens]

Originally Posted by thebigsky

Maybe I didn't phrase it well, but I think you know what I mean, if it's essentially considered acceptable to create artistic pictures by combining lots of different elements from various photographs then as far as I'm concerned it's not a photography competition and I shall bow out gracefully.

Charlie

You are of course free to do what you want. But there is no need to be hasty about deciding what to do

Well, that is, unless you have a deadline or something, then by all means, be hasty hehehe

[Nikolai]

Originally Posted by thebigsky

There's a world of difference between expressing a point of view and imposing it, I'd like to think you're aware of that?

Peace indeed, despite your overly aggressive post.

Charlie

Dear Charlie,
as you may or may not know, I was raised and for the long time have lived in USSR during the communist regime. I happen know from my very own personal experience and the experience of my own family and close relatives and friends what does it mean to NOT have a freedom.
You're suggesting to inflict a strict (and, IMHO unnecessary) limitations - purely artificial, since neither you nor anybody else in the world would even be able to prove that I did what I did unless they use a very expensive and sophisticated hardware/software package - to an ongoing good thing, and that hits on a nerve.

At this point you are free to do whatever you want, post a jpeg straight from the camera or go berserk in InDesign. It's your choice, I'm going to respect that, and if the judges come to choose your work over mine - so be it, I'll either learn InDesign next time or drop off. But I don't want to be disqualified and banned from the possibility of the entry simply because I decided to merge a couple of pictures in one or pull out an aggressive filter.

Sorry, but your suggestion does not fly with me. You're trying to take my freedom away - I'm not gonna be silent about it.

"You can take my Photoshop away from me if you pry it from my cold dead fingers"

Once again - peace!

[osoi]

Originally Posted by thebigsky

As far as I'm concerned a photograph is not a photograph if it contains elements that weren't there when the shutter was released.

Is this a photography competition or an art competition?

Charlie

So for those of us who grew up in actual Darkrooms and used multi-exposures on a single print that isn't a photograph? If it can be done in a darkroom why not on a computer. I mean the way your logic sounds, we shouldn't use filters on the cameras, because they can bring elements to the picture that weren't there. As long as its all your work, who cares what you do to process the picture.